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Abdullah : Thank you for your dedication and the effort you put in taking me back to the story of ishmael and hagar in the bible and telling me that Allah is inconsistent even tho the first verse “(2:47), Allah says: “O Children of Israel! Remember My favor…

Abdullah,

It’s frankly disrespectful and dismissive how you’ve completely failed to engage with any of the points I raised in my initial response. You posed a question, and I gave you a comprehensive answer. Instead of addressing those points, you’ve chosen to sidestep them entirely, repeating your question in a slightly different way while conveniently ignoring the arguments that dismantled your premise.

Let me first list the key points from my initial answer that you didn’t even bother to address, despite their relevance to your question:

1. Jesus is God and the Promiser of the Covenant: I clearly explained how Jesus, as God, reaffirmed the eternal covenant with Israel through His life and teachings.


2. The Role of Isaac and the Covenant Through Him: The covenant was never through Hagar and Ishmael but through Sarah and Isaac, as explicitly stated in Genesis 17:19 and affirmed by God Himself.


3. Allah’s Inconsistent Favoritism: I highlighted how Allah’s behavior, swinging between favoring Israel and condemning them as “apes and swine,” reflects a pattern of inconsistency and moral confusion, unlike the eternal faithfulness of the God of the Bible.


4. Jacob’s Wrestling as a Testament of Faith: I clarified how Jacob’s encounter with God was an act of persistence and trust, not rebellion, and how Allah repeatedly validates Jacob’s legacy through his references to “Bani Israel” in the Quran.


5. Jesus’ Mission as Foundational, Not Fleeting: I elaborated on how Jesus’ purpose was to address the spiritual, moral, and political foundations of humanity, laying the groundwork for eternal change rather than leading a temporary rebellion.


These points were critical to answering your original question, and you ignored every single one of them. Now you’re reframing your question by invoking Jesus’ interaction with Roman authority and the “Render to Caesar” passage, as if it somehow negates the answers I’ve already given. Let me respond once again—but this time, I’ll focus on your new claims while reminding you of the broader context you continue to miss.


Why Didn’t Jesus Lead a Revolt?
Your question implies that Jesus’ mission was somehow incomplete or insufficient because He didn’t command an uprising against the Romans. This assumption reveals a shallow understanding of His purpose. Let me explain, once again:

1. Jesus Confronted various Corrupted Jewish Leaders Working with Rome:
The Pharisees and Sadducees weren’t just religious figures—they were the political elite of Jewish society, collaborating with Roman authorities to maintain their own power. When Jesus called them “whitewashed tombs” and “a brood of vipers” (Matthew 23), He was directly confronting the systemic corruption that intertwined religious and political power. His rebuke wasn’t spiritual in isolation—it was also a condemnation of their political complicity.

Similarly, when Jesus overturned the tables of the money changers in the Temple (Matthew 21:12-13), He was addressing the exploitation and corruption at the heart of Jewish society. These acts were profoundly political and exposed the injustices of His time.


2. “Render to Caesar” Wasn’t Submission:
You misinterpret Jesus’ statement, “Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s” (Mark 12:17). This wasn’t an endorsement of Roman rule or indifference to justice—it was a masterful response to a trap. His opponents wanted to force Him into rebellion or compliance. Instead, Jesus exposed their hypocrisy and affirmed a deeper truth: while earthly governments may demand taxes, ultimate allegiance belongs to God.


3. The Timing of His Kingdom:
Jesus’ first coming wasn’t about overthrowing earthly kingdoms—it was about establishing the foundation for salvation. His political reign is yet to come, as prophesied in Revelation 11:15: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever.” When Jesus returns, He will rule from Jerusalem, fulfilling God’s promises to Israel and bringing justice to all nations.

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Abdullah,

It’s frankly disrespectful and dismissive how you’ve completely failed to engage with any of the points I raised in my initial response. You posed a question, and I gave you a comprehensive answer. Instead of addressing those points, you’ve chosen to sidestep them entirely, repeating your question in a slightly different way while conveniently ignoring the arguments that dismantled your premise.

Let me first list the key points from my initial answer that you didn’t even bother to address, despite their relevance to your question:

1. Jesus is God and the Promiser of the Covenant: I clearly explained how Jesus, as God, reaffirmed the eternal covenant with Israel through His life and teachings.


2. The Role of Isaac and the Covenant Through Him: The covenant was never through Hagar and Ishmael but through Sarah and Isaac, as explicitly stated in Genesis 17:19 and affirmed by God Himself.


3. Allah’s Inconsistent Favoritism: I highlighted how Allah’s behavior, swinging between favoring Israel and condemning them as “apes and swine,” reflects a pattern of inconsistency and moral confusion, unlike the eternal faithfulness of the God of the Bible.


4. Jacob’s Wrestling as a Testament of Faith: I clarified how Jacob’s encounter with God was an act of persistence and trust, not rebellion, and how Allah repeatedly validates Jacob’s legacy through his references to “Bani Israel” in the Quran.


5. Jesus’ Mission as Foundational, Not Fleeting: I elaborated on how Jesus’ purpose was to address the spiritual, moral, and political foundations of humanity, laying the groundwork for eternal change rather than leading a temporary rebellion.


These points were critical to answering your original question, and you ignored every single one of them. Now you’re reframing your question by invoking Jesus’ interaction with Roman authority and the “Render to Caesar” passage, as if it somehow negates the answers I’ve already given. Let me respond once again—but this time, I’ll focus on your new claims while reminding you of the broader context you continue to miss.


Why Didn’t Jesus Lead a Revolt?
Your question implies that Jesus’ mission was somehow incomplete or insufficient because He didn’t command an uprising against the Romans. This assumption reveals a shallow understanding of His purpose. Let me explain, once again:

1. Jesus Confronted various Corrupted Jewish Leaders Working with Rome:
The Pharisees and Sadducees weren’t just religious figures—they were the political elite of Jewish society, collaborating with Roman authorities to maintain their own power. When Jesus called them “whitewashed tombs” and “a brood of vipers” (Matthew 23), He was directly confronting the systemic corruption that intertwined religious and political power. His rebuke wasn’t spiritual in isolation—it was also a condemnation of their political complicity.

Similarly, when Jesus overturned the tables of the money changers in the Temple (Matthew 21:12-13), He was addressing the exploitation and corruption at the heart of Jewish society. These acts were profoundly political and exposed the injustices of His time.


2. “Render to Caesar” Wasn’t Submission:
You misinterpret Jesus’ statement, “Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s” (Mark 12:17). This wasn’t an endorsement of Roman rule or indifference to justice—it was a masterful response to a trap. His opponents wanted to force Him into rebellion or compliance. Instead, Jesus exposed their hypocrisy and affirmed a deeper truth: while earthly governments may demand taxes, ultimate allegiance belongs to God.


3. The Timing of His Kingdom:
Jesus’ first coming wasn’t about overthrowing earthly kingdoms—it was about establishing the foundation for salvation. His political reign is yet to come, as prophesied in Revelation 11:15: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever.” When Jesus returns, He will rule from Jerusalem, fulfilling God’s promises to Israel and bringing justice to all nations.

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