All the rest of them, with the Tasimanes, returned home. As I was sitting there I asked whether anyone could speak both languages that I needed. There was somebody, whom I asked to say to the Turks [Muslims] on my behalf that what they had performed outside there I thought it was good, "for you addressed yourselves to God - to whom else?- for the deceased one. I wanted, however, to know what was that you exclaimed to God?" Tasimanes using the same interpreter said that he would explain: "We asked for forgiveness from God for the deceased, for his own sins committed in his soul." Retorting myself I said, "Very well, but the judge is merciful, indeed, and dispenses mercy; and he who will come as judge of every race of men, even according to you, is Christ. You must be addressing, therefore, the prayers and the exclamations to Him. Thus you, too, invoke him as God, as we do, who believe that as an inborn Word of His he is indivisible from the Father; for there was no time when God was without reason or without the natural word." (Source: Saint Gregory Palamas, Littera & Dialexis Patrologia Migne βPG, CL, COL. DCCCVIII)
Dyer tried to explain this quote away by saying:
βThe Palamas quote going around by RCs is laughably misread: it's a reductio, arguing Muslims inconsistently invoke the Word of Allah in the Koran, yet deny the Word. Much like when we say to a Muslim - "you also think Allah has a Logos!". It doesn't mean they actually do. The rest of the debate (which | read last night) shows Palamas did not actually think Muslims ("apostate Chioni") worship the Triad LOL - his whole argument is the OT teaches Triad!β https://x(dot)com/jay_d007/status/1911102621953196191?s=46
But Dyer didnβt bother to exegete Palamas at all. Palamas clearly states that the Muslims addressed (past tense) themselves to God and to no one else:
βFor you addressed yourselves to Godβto whom else?β
He then shifts to the present tense, saying that Muslims are now addressing Christ without realizing it:
βYou must be addressing, therefore, the prayers and the exclamations to Him. Thus you, too, invoke Him as God, as we do, who believe that as an inborn Word of His He is indivisible from the Fatherβ¦β
If Gregory Palamas believed Muslims were worshipping a different god, he wouldnβt have told them they addressed themselves to God and to no one else.
Once again, Jay Dyer tries to explain these quotes away by citing a line from Gregory Palamas in Triads as supposed proof that Palamas believed Muslims worship demons, therefore arguing that Palamas didnβt believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God.
Jay Dyer: βRCs are misquoting St Gregory Palamas again, as if the Triads teach the conception of God pagans and Muslims have is adequate: remember Vatican 2 says they "adore" and "worship" the One God. In fact, Palamas says the opposite, that their positions are demonic and not salvific, which is the true sense of "knowing" God, beyond a confused conceptual knowledge which gets you nothing.β
But Dyer didnβt give his audience the full context. The people Palamas was referring to in that quote were Greek polytheists, not Muslims:
Gregory Palamas, Triads, 1.1.18 -
βBy examining the nature of sensible things, these people have arrived at a certain concept of God, but not at a conception truly worthy of Him and appropriate to His blessed nature. For their βdisordered heart was darkenedβ by the machinations of the wicked demons who were instructing them. For if a worthy conception of God could be attained through the use of intellection, how could these people have taken the demons for gods, and how could they have believed the demons when they taught man polytheism? " In this way, wrapped up in this mindless and foolish wisdom and unenlightened education, they have calumniated both God and nature. They have deprived God of His sovereignty (at least as far as they are concerned); they have ascribed the Divine Name to demons β¦.
All the rest of them, with the Tasimanes, returned home. As I was sitting there I asked whether anyone could speak both languages that I needed. There was somebody, whom I asked to say to the Turks [Muslims] on my behalf that what they had performed outside there I thought it was good, "for you addressed yourselves to God - to whom else?- for the deceased one. I wanted, however, to know what was that you exclaimed to God?" Tasimanes using the same interpreter said that he would explain: "We asked for forgiveness from God for the deceased, for his own sins committed in his soul." Retorting myself I said, "Very well, but the judge is merciful, indeed, and dispenses mercy; and he who will come as judge of every race of men, even according to you, is Christ. You must be addressing, therefore, the prayers and the exclamations to Him. Thus you, too, invoke him as God, as we do, who believe that as an inborn Word of His he is indivisible from the Father; for there was no time when God was without reason or without the natural word." (Source: Saint Gregory Palamas, Littera & Dialexis Patrologia Migne βPG, CL, COL. DCCCVIII)
Dyer tried to explain this quote away by saying:
βThe Palamas quote going around by RCs is laughably misread: it's a reductio, arguing Muslims inconsistently invoke the Word of Allah in the Koran, yet deny the Word. Much like when we say to a Muslim - "you also think Allah has a Logos!". It doesn't mean they actually do. The rest of the debate (which | read last night) shows Palamas did not actually think Muslims ("apostate Chioni") worship the Triad LOL - his whole argument is the OT teaches Triad!β https://x(dot)com/jay_d007/status/1911102621953196191?s=46
But Dyer didnβt bother to exegete Palamas at all. Palamas clearly states that the Muslims addressed (past tense) themselves to God and to no one else:
βFor you addressed yourselves to Godβto whom else?β
He then shifts to the present tense, saying that Muslims are now addressing Christ without realizing it:
βYou must be addressing, therefore, the prayers and the exclamations to Him. Thus you, too, invoke Him as God, as we do, who believe that as an inborn Word of His He is indivisible from the Fatherβ¦β
If Gregory Palamas believed Muslims were worshipping a different god, he wouldnβt have told them they addressed themselves to God and to no one else.
Once again, Jay Dyer tries to explain these quotes away by citing a line from Gregory Palamas in Triads as supposed proof that Palamas believed Muslims worship demons, therefore arguing that Palamas didnβt believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God.
Jay Dyer: βRCs are misquoting St Gregory Palamas again, as if the Triads teach the conception of God pagans and Muslims have is adequate: remember Vatican 2 says they "adore" and "worship" the One God. In fact, Palamas says the opposite, that their positions are demonic and not salvific, which is the true sense of "knowing" God, beyond a confused conceptual knowledge which gets you nothing.β
But Dyer didnβt give his audience the full context. The people Palamas was referring to in that quote were Greek polytheists, not Muslims:
Gregory Palamas, Triads, 1.1.18 -
βBy examining the nature of sensible things, these people have arrived at a certain concept of God, but not at a conception truly worthy of Him and appropriate to His blessed nature. For their βdisordered heart was darkenedβ by the machinations of the wicked demons who were instructing them. For if a worthy conception of God could be attained through the use of intellection, how could these people have taken the demons for gods, and how could they have believed the demons when they taught man polytheism? " In this way, wrapped up in this mindless and foolish wisdom and unenlightened education, they have calumniated both God and nature. They have deprived God of His sovereignty (at least as far as they are concerned); they have ascribed the Divine Name to demons β¦.
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