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WHY THE CATHOLIC POSITION IS CORRECT ❀️ and why the EASTERN ORTHODOX are wrong

*What the Catholic Church Actually Teaches:*

1). *God's essence is not *comprehensible** But it is *knowable analogically and TRULY.*

> *St. Thomas Aquinas (ST I, q. 12, a.1):*

> "We cannot know what God is, but only what He is not; and how other beings stand in relation to Him."

YET in a.12, he also affirms:

> "By grace, we do know God Himself, though not perfectly."

So:

- *We don't comprehend* God (that's total grasp).

- *But we can know* real truths about Him-even aspects of His essence (e.g., that He is Being Itself, Truth Itself, Goodness Itself).

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2). *We know God's essence by participation* Sanctifying grace gives us a *created participation in the *divine nature* (2 Peter 1:4). That includes the *intellective vision* of God in heaven (*beatific vision*) and *true supernatural knowledge* of God now.

> *Denzinger 1000 (Council of Vienne):*

> "The soul truly sees the divine essence."

(Though not in this life, except through extraordinary mystical grace.)


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3). *The Catechism affirms both mystery and real knowledge*

> *CCC 43:*

> "Even when He reveals Himself, God remains a mystery beyond words: 'If you understood Him, it would not be God."

But also:

> *CCC 36:*

> "God... can be known with certainty by the natural light of human reason."

> *CCC 299:*

> "God created everything according to His wisdom. Hence creation reflects His truth and goodness... and is destined for His glory."

These are statements about *God's essence* being *partially knowable**, since we know that God *is Wisdom, Truth, Goodness, etc.


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●》So what's the issue with Palamite theology? πŸ‘‡

Eastern Orthodoxy (esp. via *Gregory Palamas) asserts a real distinction* between: God's *essence* (utterly unknowable) - God's *energies* (uncreated but knowable)

Catholicism agrees with the *mystery, but rejects a real metaphysical distinction* within God-since that would violate divine simplicity.

Instead, Catholic theology sees these as *virtual* or *rational distinctions* based on how creatures *experience God, not divisions *in God Himself. The Catholic Church teaches that while we cannot fully comprehend God's essence, we do know real truths about it-especially that He is *Being itself*, *Goodness itself*, *Wisdom itself*. These aren't created intermediaries or mere effects-they are who God is, and we can know this truly, albeit imperfectly. To say otherwise is to make God utterly unknowable, which collapses into agnosticism or apophatic despair**-which the Fathers *never taught*.

NOW here's a *clear, forceful contrast* between the *Catholic* and *Eastern Orthodox* positions regarding God's Essence, what we can know about Him, and the implications for theology and spirituality:

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*Catholic Teaching: We Can Truly Know God's Essence, Though Not Comprehensively*

The Catholic Church holds to *divine simplicity**:
God is not composed of parts, energies, or attributes added onto an essence-**He is* His essence (e.g., *Deus est Ipsum Esse Subsistens*, "God is Being Itself").


*Key Points:*

β˜…). *God's essence is real and knowable-though never fully comprehensible.*

- We can know that God is and what He is*, by **analogy* and *grace* (not univocally, and not exhaustively).

- By grace (especially in the *beatific vision), the soul is elevated* to see God's *essence directly* (cf. *ST I, q.12*).

β˜…2). *Revealed names of God (Wisdom, Love, Truth, Justice)* reflect His essence, not just operations or effects.

β˜…3). *Grace is a real created participation in the divine nature* (2 Peter 1:4), giving us true knowledge of God, even now.

β˜…4). *The beatific vision* is the direct vision of God's essence, as defined at:

- *Council of Florence (Denz. 693)*

- *Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus (1336):*

> "They see the divine essence with an intuitive and face-to-face vision, without the mediation of any creature..."

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WHY THE CATHOLIC POSITION IS CORRECT ❀️ and why the EASTERN ORTHODOX are wrong

*What the Catholic Church Actually Teaches:*

1). *God's essence is not *comprehensible** But it is *knowable analogically and TRULY.*

> *St. Thomas Aquinas (ST I, q. 12, a.1):*

> "We cannot know what God is, but only what He is not; and how other beings stand in relation to Him."

YET in a.12, he also affirms:

> "By grace, we do know God Himself, though not perfectly."

So:

- *We don't comprehend* God (that's total grasp).

- *But we can know* real truths about Him-even aspects of His essence (e.g., that He is Being Itself, Truth Itself, Goodness Itself).

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Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—

2). *We know God's essence by participation* Sanctifying grace gives us a *created participation in the *divine nature* (2 Peter 1:4). That includes the *intellective vision* of God in heaven (*beatific vision*) and *true supernatural knowledge* of God now.

> *Denzinger 1000 (Council of Vienne):*

> "The soul truly sees the divine essence."

(Though not in this life, except through extraordinary mystical grace.)


Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—

3). *The Catechism affirms both mystery and real knowledge*

> *CCC 43:*

> "Even when He reveals Himself, God remains a mystery beyond words: 'If you understood Him, it would not be God."

But also:

> *CCC 36:*

> "God... can be known with certainty by the natural light of human reason."

> *CCC 299:*

> "God created everything according to His wisdom. Hence creation reflects His truth and goodness... and is destined for His glory."

These are statements about *God's essence* being *partially knowable**, since we know that God *is Wisdom, Truth, Goodness, etc.


Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—

●》So what's the issue with Palamite theology? πŸ‘‡

Eastern Orthodoxy (esp. via *Gregory Palamas) asserts a real distinction* between: God's *essence* (utterly unknowable) - God's *energies* (uncreated but knowable)

Catholicism agrees with the *mystery, but rejects a real metaphysical distinction* within God-since that would violate divine simplicity.

Instead, Catholic theology sees these as *virtual* or *rational distinctions* based on how creatures *experience God, not divisions *in God Himself. The Catholic Church teaches that while we cannot fully comprehend God's essence, we do know real truths about it-especially that He is *Being itself*, *Goodness itself*, *Wisdom itself*. These aren't created intermediaries or mere effects-they are who God is, and we can know this truly, albeit imperfectly. To say otherwise is to make God utterly unknowable, which collapses into agnosticism or apophatic despair**-which the Fathers *never taught*.

NOW here's a *clear, forceful contrast* between the *Catholic* and *Eastern Orthodox* positions regarding God's Essence, what we can know about Him, and the implications for theology and spirituality:

Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—Γ—



*Catholic Teaching: We Can Truly Know God's Essence, Though Not Comprehensively*

The Catholic Church holds to *divine simplicity**:
God is not composed of parts, energies, or attributes added onto an essence-**He is* His essence (e.g., *Deus est Ipsum Esse Subsistens*, "God is Being Itself").


*Key Points:*

β˜…). *God's essence is real and knowable-though never fully comprehensible.*

- We can know that God is and what He is*, by **analogy* and *grace* (not univocally, and not exhaustively).

- By grace (especially in the *beatific vision), the soul is elevated* to see God's *essence directly* (cf. *ST I, q.12*).

β˜…2). *Revealed names of God (Wisdom, Love, Truth, Justice)* reflect His essence, not just operations or effects.

β˜…3). *Grace is a real created participation in the divine nature* (2 Peter 1:4), giving us true knowledge of God, even now.

β˜…4). *The beatific vision* is the direct vision of God's essence, as defined at:

- *Council of Florence (Denz. 693)*

- *Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus (1336):*

> "They see the divine essence with an intuitive and face-to-face vision, without the mediation of any creature..."

Result:πŸ‘‡πŸ‘‡

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