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This right here is a perfect example of what I mean when I say a lot of Eastern Orthodox go around pushing their personal opinions as if they’re the official dogmatic teaching of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Qai is basically claiming that EOs are obligated to believe that other churches, like the Catholic Church and the Oriental Orthodox Church, don’t have the mysteries of God (the holy sacraments). But Qai didn’t provide a universally binding source within Eastern Orthodoxy that says Catholics and Orientals don’t have valid sacraments. The reality is, there’s no official dogmatic position in Eastern Orthodoxy that denies the validity of Catholic and Oriental sacraments. It’s a divided issue among the Eastern Orthodox themselves, and people need to stop treating their personal take as if it’s what all Eastern Orthodox believe.

The Orthodox Church of America even admits Eastern Orthodox are divided on whether Catholics have valid sacraments or not:

β€œConcerning the Eucharist: Many Orthodox Christians do view the Roman Catholic Eucharist as the Body and Blood of Christ; others today would not subscribe to this. The answer is linked to whether one believes that Roman Catholicism is β€œwith grace” or β€œdevoid of grace.”
Concerning the β€œgrace of the priesthood”: This is partially answered in point 1 above. The answer to this is also intimately linked on whether the Orthodox view Roman Catholicism as a body that is β€œwith grace” or β€œdevoid of grace.” Some Orthodox would say that Roman Catholic priests do possess grace; others would say that they do not.”
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https://www.oca(dot)org/questions/romancatholicism/validity-of-roman-catholic-orders

The majority of Eastern Orthodox Churches accept the Balamand Document of 1993, which states that Catholics have valid sacraments:

"In fact, especially since the panorthodox Conferences and the Second Vatican Council, the re- discovery and the giving again of proper value to the Church as communion, both on the part of Orthodox and of Catholics, has radically altered perspectives and thus attitudes. On each side it is recognized that what Christ has entrusted to his Church - profession of apostolic faith, participation in the same sacraments, above all the one priesthood celebrating the one sacrifice of Christ, the apostolic succession of bishops - cannot be considered the exclusive property of one of our Churches. In this context, it is clear that any rebaptism must be avoided." - Balamand Document, Article 13

Here’s more:

πŸ”ΈEastern Orthodox synod affirming Catholics have valid sacraments

Holy Synod of Moscow (1903) -
β€œWe believe in the sincerity of their faith in the Most Holy and Life-Giving Trinity and therefore we accept the baptism of both. We honor the apostolic succession of the Latin hierarchy and receive the clergy who come to our Church in their present dignity.”

πŸ”ΈEastern Orthodox saints who believed Catholics have valid sacraments:

Eastern Orthodox St. Theophan:

β€œWe are private individuals; and in their opinions they must conform to the decision of the Orthodox Church. It seems that our Church is condescending to Catholics and recognizes the power of not only the baptism of the Catholics and other sacraments, but also the priesthood, which is very significant.” (Quoted from Sergei Fedorov, The Reality of Sacraments Outside the Church)

Eastern Orthodox St. Seraphim Sobolev:

β€œAmong the errors of Vladimir Solovyov, one should also refer to his calling Catholicism the Church. Catholicism should be called a schism with heretical confession, due to which, although there is apostolic succession with the sacraments here, but the inner regenerating grace of the Holy Spirit is not effective for Catholics and, therefore, it does not regenerate and does not save them. Vladimir Soloviev is even more mistaken when he calls Protestantism the Church. There is no regenerating grace here at all, for there is no sacrament of holy chrismation and there is no apostolic succession.
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Therefore, Protestantism , as an unauthorized gathering, is even farther away, than Latinism, from the Orthodox Church… although, according to the apostolic succession, the inner regenerating grace is communicated in Catholicism through the sacraments of baptism and chrismation. (Quoted from Valery Sinilschikov” St. Seraphim Bogucharsky on the reality of heretical sacraments)

Eastern Orthodox St. Philaret of Moscow:

β€œMark you, I do not presume to call false any Church which believes that Jesus is the Christ. The Christian Church can only be either purely true, confessing the true and saving divine teaching 0without the false admixtures and pernicious opinions of men, or not purely true, mixing with the true and saving teaching of faith in Christ the false and pernicious opinions of men… but I just simply look upon them; in part I see how the Head and Lord of the Church heals the many deep wounds of the old serpent in all the parts and limbs of his Body, applying now gentle, now strong, remedies, even fire and iron, in order to soften hardness, to draw out poison, to clean wounds, to separate out malignant growths, to restore spirit and life in the numbed and half-dead members. In this way I attest my faith that, in the end, the power of God will triumph openly over human weakness, good over evil, unity over division, life over death.” (Quoted in Fr. Georges Florovsky, The Limits of the Church)

β€œAnyone baptized in the name of the Trinity is a Christian, no matter what confession he belongs to.”(Quoted from Sergei Fedorov, The Reality of Sacraments Outside the Church)

πŸ”ΈEastern Orthodox sources teaching Anglicans have a valid priesthood:

"Our Holy Synod, therefore, came to an opinion accepting the validity of the Anglican priesthood"
- Encyclical of Ecumenical Patriarch Meletius IV to the Primates of the Orthodox Churches, 1922

"Today, explaining this telegram, we inform Your Grace that the Holy Synod, having as a motive the resolution passed some time ago by the Church of Constantinople, which is the Church having the First Throne between the Orthodox Churches, resolved that the consecrations of bishops and ordinations of priests and deacons of the Anglican Episcopal Church are considered by the Orthodox Church as having the same validity which the Orders of the Roman Church have, because there exist all the elements which are considered necessary from an Orthodox point of view for the recognition of the grace of the Holy Orders from Apostolic Succession."
- Letter of Patriarch Damianos of Jerusalem to the Archbishop of Canterbury, 1923

"It being understood that the Apostolic Succession in the Anglican Church by the Sacrament of Order was not broken at the Consecration of the first Archbishop of this Church, Matthew Parker, and the visible signs being present in Orders among the Anglicans by which the grace of the Holy Spirit is supplied, which enables the ordinand for the functions of his particular order, there is no obstacle to the recognition by the Orthodox Church of the validity of Anglican Ordinations in the same way that the validity of the ordinations of the Roman, Old Catholic, and Armenian Church are recognized by her."
- Letter of Archbishop Cyril of Cyprus and his Synod to the Patriarchate of Constantinople, 1923

"The Church of Alexandria withdraws its precautionary negative to the acceptance of the validity of Anglican Ordinations, and, adhering to the decision of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, of July 28, 1922, pronounces that if priests, ordained by Anglican Bishops, accede to Orthodoxy, they should not be re-ordained, as persons baptized by Anglicans are not rebaptized."
- Letter of Patriarch Meletius of Alexandria and His Synod to the Archbishop of Canterbury, 1930

"[F]rom the historical point of view no obstacle exists to the recognition of the Apostolic succession of Anglican orders." - Resolution of the Synod of The Church of Romania on Anglican Orders, 1936
ORTHODOXY IS BASICALLY LOST and IN ERROR.... WITHOUT A SHEPHERD LIKE THE POPE .

THEY BELEIVE THAT PROTESTANT ANGLICANSπŸ˜‚ have a priesthood LOL. THATS LIKE SO FAKE . We all know that Pope Leo's Papal Bull declares Anglican Orders as null and Void .
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The remains of all the apostles are within the Catholic Church. Another proof the Catholic Church is the true Church founded by Christ upon apostles.
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The conclave to elect a new Pope will begin on May 7 according to the Holy See Press Office.

The Cardinals present in Rome made the decision on Monday at their fifth General Congregation.

The conclave will take place in the Vatican’s Sistine Chapel, which remain closed to visitors during those days.
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You see... a Famous Exorcist once said .... The Devil dosen't make You sin ... He tempts you, and You Sin.

The devil dosen't make you sin , he tempts you .... and You sin because you Chose to sin. Don't make the Bad choice . Go for Confession ❀️
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You may say, some of the Fathers, by the rock, understand the faith which Peter confessed and set forth. So S. Chrysostom, S. Hilary (1. 6 de Trinit.), S. Cyril. (2 4 de Trinit.), S. Ambrose (1. 6 in Luc. c. 9). I answer, these Fathers do not mean the faith ab-stractedly, but the faith as it was in Peter, and consequently they take Peter himselt to be the rock of the Church, as they themselves afterwards fully explain. They hold that Peter, for the merit of his faith received the dignity of a rock in the Church. As SS. Hilary and Chrysostom say expressly; for on account of that faith he had deserved to be himself the foundation of the Church, and that his faith should never fail, but that he should confirm and strengthen others in the faith. (S. Luke xxii. 32.) For the Church is fashioned and renewed not of faith, but of faithful men, who are as it were its parts (for the Church is nothing else than the company of the faith-ful), wherefore, likewise, in order that the head of the Church may be of the same nature as the body, that head must be a faithful man -that is to say, Peter and the Pontiff. The faith then is the reason of the founding, but the foundation is Peter himself. So S. Chrysos-tom, Cyril (1. 4 de Trusit.) and S. Ambrose, Bellarmine (l. 1 de Pont. c. 10,) where he refutes both Erasmus and Chytræus, who follow Origen, who allegorizes after his custom, and understands by the rock all the faithful. In this way indeed the whole Church would be the rack, for the whole Church consists of none other than the faithful; but where then would be the walls, the floors, and the roof of the Church? Of what then shall these be built? (Ser also Gretser in defence of Bellarm, l. 3. 4. 5.)

Lastly, Christ bestowed this gift upon Peter as the future Pontiff of the Church; wherefore He gave the same gift to all the other Pontiffs, his successors, and that for the good of the Church, that it might be strengthened by them as by a rock, in the faith and religion of Christ. Wherefore, S. Bernard ( a, de Consid.) saith to Pope Eugenius, "Who art thou? A great priest-the chief Pontiff. Thou art the prince of bishops, thou art the heir of the Apostles, thou art Abel in primacy, Noah in government, Abraham in the patriarchate; in order, thou art Melchisedeck, in dignity Aaron, in authority Moses, in judgeship Samuel, in power Peter, in unction a Christ. To thee the keys have been delivered, the sheep entrusted.


Fr Cornelius Lapid
2025/07/14 02:33:09
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